Craps Buy Vs Place Vs Lay

Craps offers some of the best odds in the casino. It also offers some of the worst. The best bet on the table doesn’t even appear on the layout, while the worst ones are some of the easiest to make. Every wager one the table is presented in such a way as to make it seem like the player could win big at any time. But unless you can influence the dice, the odds are always stacked against you in craps.

In new to the forum. But i am a dark player Dont pass and dont come and i lay 4/10. Im looking for a real strategy for laying numbers and also a better dont come approach. Im looking for a lil help on how to approach the bet and if should use a progression or just flat bet it. Any help is great! The 4 and 10 pay 9-5, true odds 10-5, yielding a house edge of 6.66%. The 5 and 9 pay 7-5, true odds are 7.5-5 (house edge 4%). The 6 and 8 pay 7-6, true odds are 6-5 (house edge 1.51%. Player pays 5% 'vigorish' to get true odds on all numbers. Only the 4 and 10 make buy bets worthwhile. They reduce the house edge to 4.76%.

The Pass Line bet is the most common wager on the table. When you bet a Pass Line, the natural house edge is around 1.42%. If the Pass Line bet wins, it is paid even-money – a ten dollar bet wins ten dollars. The Free Odds bet is paid at true odds. For example, a winning $10 Free Odds bet on the point of four will be paid 2 to 1, or $20. The Free Odds bet has no house edge, but you cannot place it unless you have already made a bet that does have a house edge – either the Pass and Come, or the Don’t Pass and Don’t Come. When you back one of these bets with free odds, the overall effect is to reduce the house edge. The greater the proportion of your bet that is on free odds, the lower the edge will get. However, the casino always has an advantage over the player with this bet – albeit a small one.

A placard posted on the table will clearly state what proportion of your bet may be placed as a free odds bet. If the placard states that it is a $10 – 10X odds game, it means the minimum wager is $10, and you can take up to ten times your wager in Free Odds. Allowable odds may range from single to unlimited, up to the table’s maximum bet.

If you are playing a single odds game, you can place a free odds bet equal to your Pass Line wager. When playing the Don’ts, you can lay odds sufficient to win an amount equivalent to your Don’t Pass bet. The single odds game is commonly found on cruise ships and isolated vacation destinations like the Caribbean islands. They can get away with offering an inferior game because you are a captive player. It’s the only game available.

Most land based casinos offer double odds or higher. In Las Vegas, the 3, 4, 5X odds game is the most common. This game allows you to take 3X odds on the four and ten, 4X odds on the five and nine, and 5X odds on the six and eight. For example, in a $5 game with 3, 4, 5X odds game, the maximum free odds you could take on the four or ten would be $15 – three times your $5 flat bet. You could wager $20 on the five and nine, and $25 on the six and eight. Casinos do this as much for their own convenience as for the players. In a $5 game with 3, 4, 5X odds, the correct payoff on every wager with full odds is $35.

Some casinos offer 5X, 10X, 20X, or even 100X odds. Some of the most sought after games are low limit tables with 100X odds. With those odds, the house’s edge over the players is miniscule. But as mentioned earlier, regardless of how large of a free odds bet they allow, the casino always has the edge. Remember, casinos rake in vast profits on margins as little as .07 %. That is not seven percent. It is seven-one-hundredths of a percent.

The pay offs on the Free Odds bets are calculated based on the relationship between the number of ways a particular bet can win versus the number of ways it can lose. The best way to understand this is to look at this chart, which demonstrates how many combinations of the various numbers there are on a pair of fair dice.

As you can see from the chart at the top of this page, the seven is the most common number on the dice. Six of thirty-six possible combinations of the dice add up to seven. There are more ways to make a seven with two dice than any other number. That means that on any given roll, there is a better chance a seven will come up before any other number.

Take a look at the odds of rolling a four. There are three ways to roll a four, compared to six ways to roll a seven. Reduce those 6 – 3 odds to their lowest common denominator and you come up with true odds of 2 – 1. A winning $10 Pass Line or Come bet established on the four with 3X or $30 in free odds would be paid a total of $70. The player would receive $10 for his winning Pass Line bet, which is paid at even money, and $60 for his winning $30 free odds bet, which is paid at 2 – 1.

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Free Odds on the five and nine are always paid at 3-2. This can lead to some confusion for the novice player. For example, if you played a $5 Pass Line bet and then took single odds for $5, the casino could not give you a proper payout. The free odds bet has to be an even number – divisible by two – in order for them to pay true odds of 3-2. In this example, in addition to paying the $5 flat bet on the line, the casino would pay 3-2 on $4 of the free odds wager, plus even money on the extra $1 for a total of $7 on the free odds bet. Since the casinos do not generally pay fractions of dollars, they short you on your payout. The correct single odds wager on a $5 Pass Line bet on the five or nine is $6. In addition to the $5 Pass Line payout, the correct $6 free odds wager is paid $9.

The simplest way to remember the correct free odds wager is to memorize the old axiom: “Odd numbers get even odds.” The five and nine are the only “odd” box numbers on the layout, and in order to receive a correct payout you must bet an even amount of money on those numbers.

Last of all, remember that the Come Bet performs exactly like the Pass Line Bet and the same odds apply to both bets. Likewise, the Don’t Come bet performs exactly like the Don’t Pass bet and the same odds apply to both bets. On Pass Line, Come Bets, Don’t Pass or Don’t Come, the house’s ultimate edge comes from the even money payoff on the winning flat bet – not the Free Odds bet. For that reason, most players prefer to risk the minimum amount possible on the Pass or Don’t Pass, and risk more of their bankroll on the free odds wagers.

There are many more bets available to the player on the traditional banker’s craps layout. In every case, the house gets its edge by paying the player less than true odds. To get a better understanding of this, let’s look at place betting first. Many players prefer to place bet numbers for many reasons. It gives them immediate action in the game. They get to choose what numbers they play as opposed to letting the Come Bet decide which numbers they wager on. Their number only has to roll once for them to get paid. In exchange for these privileges, these players are willing to give up an additional edge to the house.

The most popular numbers to Place Bet are the six and eight. One look at the odds chart and it is easy to see why. There are five ways each to roll the six and eight compared to six ways to roll the seven. As we mentioned earlier, the true odds on the six or eight are 6 – 5. But if you want to Place Bet those numbers the house requires a wager in six-dollar increments. In a $5 game the correct Place Bet wager on the six or eight is a minimum of $6. In a $10 game it is a minimum of $12. And instead of being paid at true 6 – 5 odds, the Place Bet is paid 7 – 6. This “reduced” pay off is where the house gets its edge – in this case, 1.51% on the 6 and 8.

The five and nine are Place Bet in increments of five dollars, and are paid at 7 – 5. That gives the house an edge of 4% over the player. The story on the four and ten is even worse. These numbers are paid at 9 – 5, which yields a house edge of a whopping 6.67%.

Prominently located in the center of the layout are the Proposition or Prop Bets. These are the bets the stickman hawks like a carnival barker with his endless chatter, “Get your hops, props, hardways, high-lows, yos, horn bets, worlds.” These are all high-vigorish bets that generally should be avoided. Let’s take a look at them.

The Any Seven bet, sometimes called the Big Red bet, is usually located at the top of the prop box. This is a one-roll wager that the seven will be the next number to roll. The winning bet pays 4 to 1, compared to correct odds of 5 to 1. That one unit difference gives the house a 16.67% edge.

Beneath the Any Seven bet are the Hardway Bets. These are individual wagers that the hard four (2-2), hard six (3-3), hard eight (4-4), or hard ten (5-5) will roll “hard” before they roll easy or before the seven rolls. The payoff is 9 – 1 on the 6 or 8 and 7 – 1 on the 4 or 10. The house edge is 9.09% and 11.11%, respectively.

The next section in the Prop Box consists of specific non-box numbers known as the horn numbers. They are the two, three, eleven and twelve. These numbers can be bet on individually, in pairs, or all at the same time. Each bet has it’s own moniker.

The Ace-Deuce bet is a one-roll wager on the three-craps. The payoff is 15 – 1, but the true odds are 17 – 1. The house edge is a whopping 11.1%.

The Eleven or “Yo” is a one-roll wager on the eleven. When bet alone, the wager is placed in the “E” circle adjacent to the prop box. For more details on that see the discussion of “C and E” bets, below. The payoff on the eleven is exactly the same as the Ace-Deuce, 15 – 1, and it carries the same 11.1% house edge.

The “Aces” bet is a one-roll wager on the two-craps. The payoff is 30 – 1, while the true odds are 35 – 1. The house edge on this wager is also 16.67%.

Last of all is the twelve-craps, sometimes called “midnight.” Like the Aces bet, the twelve-craps pays 30 – 1 and carries a house edge of 16.7%.

When all four of these numbers are wagered at the same time it is called a Horn bet. A player makes a horn bet by tossing his chips to the stickman and calling out his bet. For example, “$4 horn.” This gives him $1 on each of the aces, ace-deuce, eleven and twelve.

The final variation of the Horn bet is the World bet. The World bet is simply a Horn plus an Any Seven bet. A $5 world bet gives the player $1 each on the aces, ace-deuce, eleven, twelve, and any seven. The World simply takes a bad bet, the Horn, and makes it worse by adding another dollar to a high vigorish wager.

On either side of the prop box you will see the C and E bets mentioned earlier. There are several of these betting circles on each side of the table, and each corresponds to a different player position at the table.

The “C” is an Any Craps bet. The Any Craps bet is a wager that the 2, 3, or 12 will roll on the next toss. If any other number rolls the Any Craps wager immediately loses. The winning wager pays 7 – 1, and is exposed to a house edge of 11.1%.

The “E” is the eleven or “Yo” bet. As mentioned earlier, it could be set up in the horn section of the prop box. However, most stickmen are trained to set the bet up in the appropriate “E” circle, which makes it easier to determine which player the bet belongs to in a crowded game. The odds are the same, no matter where the bet is set up. The house has an 11.1% advantage over the player.

The Field Bet is one of the most prominent on the table. It is a one-roll bet that the next number to roll will be a Field number. The Field numbers are 2, 3, 4, 9, 10, 11, and 12. At first appearance it looks like a good bet. You have seven out of eleven possible numbers working for you. However, the numbers that are not covered, the 5, 6, 7, and 8, give the house more ways to win than the player. There are 20 combinations of the dice that win for the house, versus 16 combinations that win for the player. Depending on whether the house pays “double” or “triple” on the twelve, the house edge varies from 5.56% to 2.28%.

Some layouts include a Big 6 and Big 8 wager in one corner. These are self-service bets a player can make on the six and eight. However, instead of being paid 6 – 5 true odds, or 7 – 6 place odds, the player is paid even money on this wager. That yields a house edge of 9.09%.

From time to time you will see a player make a Buy Bet. Buy Bets pay off at true odds instead of place odds. In order to get this privilege, the player pays the house a 5% commission. A quick look at the odds chart reveals that in most instances, the four and ten are the only numbers that are worth buying.

A $20 Buy Bet carries a $1 vigorish. Buying the 4 or 10 for $20 reduces the house edge from 6.67% to 4.76%. Green chip bettors are usually permitted to Buy the 4 or 10 for $25 and still pay just a $1 commission. That reduces the house edge to just 4%. Some casinos only collect the vigorish on a winning bet, which serves to reduce the edge even more. Finally, a few casinos will allow the player to Buy the 4 and 10 for $30 or more before charging the extra $1 commission. This practice, combined with collecting the vigorish only on winning bets, can reduce the house’s edge on these numbers to as little as 1.11%, making it one of the best bets on the table.

Lay Bets or exactly the opposite of Buy Bets. A Lay bettor is wagering that the seven will roll before the number he is laying against rolls. Lay bets are typically made in amounts to win $20 increments. Correctly sized Lay Bets are $41 No 4 or No 10, $31 No 5 or No 9, and $25 No 6 or No 8. One dollar of each of these wagers is the commission paid to the casino for the right to lay against the numbers. The house edge in Lay Bets against the 4 and 10 is 2.44%. The edge against the 5 and 9 is 3.23%. The edge against the 6 and 8 is 4%.

In summary, the theoretical best bets when playing the “right” side of the game are Pass Line with odds, Come Bet with odds, and Place Bet the 6 and 8. The best bets when playing the “wrong” side of the game are Don’t Pass with odds, Don’t Come with odds, and Laying against the 4 and/or 10.

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The game of craps is one of the most diverse and versatile that you will find on the casino floor. You can often guess the craps table simply by the sheer number of spectators, which often outnumber the players themselves. Indeed, craps is one of the most popular casino games out there and one of its advantages are the multiple betting options at your disposal. This allows you to experience craps in several different ways since each bet type offers its own unique payout ratios and odds.

In this guide, we would like to bring to your attention the so-called Buy bets that you can place. Below, you will find detailed explanations about the bets themselves, the house edge and odds, as well as, our recommendation regarding this bet type.

Buy Bets Explained

The term ‘Buy bets’ refers to a number of betting options on the craps table which bear a slight resemblance to the place bets, which we cover in a different article. However, where the two bet types differ makes all the difference. The main difference between place and Buy bets lies in the amount of money that you receive at the end of the roll. A typical place bet will feature house odds very close to the true odds, with a small difference. On the other hand, Buy bets pay the true casino odds with no house edge. But there is a twist. For every winning Buy bet, you have to pay a commission of 5% on the amount wagered.

This is referred to as ‘vig’ or ‘vigorish’ in the world of casino gambling. Essentially, but bets are called such since you are paying for the privilege of receiving a true odds payout. While that might sound somewhat contradictory it is the way of things and Buy bets are by far the best wagers featured at the craps table, where odds are concerned.

At land-based casinos, you announce that you wish to place a Buy bet. You place your chips where the stickman tells you to, after which they will pull them closer and place a ‘Buy’ marker on them. Once the bet is concluded and you have won it, the stickman will give you your winnings and ask for the house commission. Typically, most casinos do not have chip denominations worth less than a dollar, so it will be rounded to the nearest whole number. Therefore, you are expecting to pay a minimum of $1 in commission. At online casinos, the process is much more streamlined since the software handles everything for you and all you have to do is sit back and enjoy the game.

As far as what the Buy bets in particular are, you will have multiple numbers to bet on. Specifically, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10, though betting on certain numbers will pay more than on others. Much like place bets, Buy bets are ‘standing bets’ and as such, they are not automatically lost on the first roll of the dice. Buy bets can remain on the table until the bet is won or until a roll has a total of 7. Keep in that Buy bets can have a minimum value, though this is more dependant on the establishment or the software provider – in the case of online casinos – more than anything else.

Buying the 4 and the 10

Buying the 4 and/or the 10 is the most worthwhile Buy bet on the craps table, both in terms of odds and payout. Whenever you make such a wager, you are betting on whether or not the next roll of the dice will result in a 4 or a 10. A winning 10 or 4 Buy bet will pay even money (2:1), whereas a place bet on the same numbers will pay 9:5. As a result, Buy bets are the way to go when wagering on these numbers.

Buying the 5 and the 9

Buy bets on 5 and 9 come with the same odds of winning of 3:2 and the payout odds are the same. Generally speaking, this is the middle of the road wager where Buy bets are concerned, worse than 4 and 10, but better than 6 and 8. As far as how worthwhile this bet is, one has to look at how the casino applies the commission. If it is charged only on winning bets, then this bet is worth it. We will go more into that later.

Buying the 6 and the 8

The 6 and 8 Buy bets are the third and final Buy bet type that you will find on the craps table. As it happens, this bet is the one that gets the short end of the stick in terms of odds and payouts. Unlike the previous two, the 6/8 Buy pays only 6:5, meaning that for every $10 that you wager, you stand to win $12 before the commission is charged. As far as its Place equivalent is concerned, the 6/8 Buy features worse odds and a lower payout ratio in all circumstances.

Buy Bets Odds and House Edge

As mentioned previously, Buy bets are some of the most favorable in craps where odds are concerned. Unlike many of the other betting options, Buy wagers pay true odds, meaning that you receive a payment equal to the probability of winning the bet. This is the best possible ratio that you can get at any casino game. Though there is also the commission to consider, so in this point, we will discuss everything you need to know about the mathematical aspect of Buy bets.

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Above, we stated that the commission is charged on Buy bets but what we did not mention was that land-based casinos choose to implement on their own discretion. Certain establishments charge commission on the bet regardless of the outcome, a few even charge it on the end sum, while there are even some that choose to forgo it on particular bets. However, it is becoming common practice to apply the commission only on the initial bet and only if it wins. We will use the last metric for the purposes of this guide, as it is the common form of commission that you will experience.

Each of three possible Buy bets comes with its own odds and house edge since each offers different payouts. We will take the 4/10 betting option, to begin with. Betting on 4 or 10 will provide you with a 2:1 payout, so if you bet $10 you will win $20. However, we also have to apply the 5% commission on the original bet sum, in this case, it is worth $0.50. Since it is rounded up to the nearest dollar, we shall consider it $1. This leaves us with a net balance of $19 and a house edge of 1.67%.
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For comparison, the Place bet equivalent would feature a payout of 9/5 and on a $10 bet, our net balance would be $18. While a $1 difference may not seem to much too you, this is because we are dealing with smaller numbers. As soon as you start placing higher bets, the difference will be much more pronounced. In terms of casino advantage, the Place 4/10 bet has a 6.67% house edge, much higher than the Buy bet with its mere 1.67%.

Craps Buy Vs Place Vs Lay

The 5/9 Buy bet is where things start to become interesting. This bet has a payout ratio of 3:2 and still comes with a 5% on winning bets. So for a $100 bet, we stand to win $150 without the commission. When it is applied, we pay $5 to the casino and come out with a net balance of $145. This translates into 1.96% casino advantage as long as the commission is charged only on wins. The 5/9 Place bet, on the other hand, offers a payout of 7:5, which is somewhat lower than its Buy counterpart. For a winning $100 Place bet on 5/9, we will have a net balance of $140. As a result, the house edge of the Place bet is 4%. What you should take from this is that the Buy 5/9 bet is worthwhile if the casino charges the commission only on winning bets and in all other cases, you should take the Place option instead.

Finally, the 6/8 Buy bet comes with a payout ratio of 6:5. So if we take a $100 Buy bet on 6 and 8 and we win, then we will bring in $120 before the commission. After the commission is charged, we will be left with a net balance of $115. This makes for a house edge of 2.22%, provided that the commission is only charged on winning bets. For comparison, the 6/8 Place bet has a payout ratio of 7/6, so a $100 Place bet would bring in $116, resulting in a house edge of 1.52%. This makes the Place 6/8 bet more worthwhile than the Buy 6/8 counterpart. The odds shift even further in the favor of the Place bet, if the casino charges commission on all Buy wagers, regardless of the outcome.

Are Buy Bets Worth It?

Buy bets are certainly some of the better ones that you can place on the craps table. You have several different options when it comes to choosing, though you should always keep the commission in mind. While the idea of Buy bets are sold to the public as offering true odds, this is only half-way true. The vig will take a small percentage of your winnings and it, in turn, serves as the house edge in this sense. Even after the commission is charged, however, the difference is not too big.

Additionally, the commission also makes serves to disincentivize small-scale betting. A 5% vigorish does not sound too much, and it really is not, but once you factor in that the minimum commission stands at $1.00 you will have a different outlook. Since land-based casinos do not offer chips in lower denominations than $1, the commission is rounded up to the nearest full number. Moreover, the commission has to be paid, so by default, it is $1. This means that for bets of $50 and lower, the commission will always be $1.

Over time, this does tend to pile on and unlike the house edge, which only comes into effect only after thousands of games, the commission is charged from the very first winning bet. Therefore, you also need to take into careful consideration when calculating your wagers. Certain casinos do not charge commission on particular Buy bets and if you can find one, you will do fine there.

Another thing you also need to take into account is that certain Buy bets have higher house edge values than particular Place bets. Namely, the Place 6/8 will always have a lower casino advantage than the Buy 6/8, albeit the difference is small. The Buy 5/9 will have worse odds than the Place 5/9, IF the commission is charged on all bets, rather than only on winning ones. However, the Buy 4/10 will always be a better choice than the Place 4/10, with a difference of ~2-4%, depending on how commission is charged.

Of course, you should do your research and look over the other possible betting options available at the craps table. On our website, we have guides for every aspect of craps that you need to concern yourself with, so be sure to check out the other craps bets.

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Conclusion

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Overall, the Buy bets at craps are some of the simplest out there. This game really lends itself to all kinds of players and the variety of betting options makes it worth the trouble. As far as the Buy bets are concerned, they certainly have their uses. Based on our descriptions above, you should now understand that certain bets are more appropriate than others, taking into account payout ratios and house edge values. Therefore, you need to carefully consider where you will place your stack of chips. Truth be told, you can do a lot worse than Buy bets and even if you do not play at the best possible way, you should not see much in the way of consequences.